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Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 9:18 pm
by Reggie Stration
EMR wrote:
manfred wrote:Mac Pro 1.1 and 2.1 unfortunately are not compatible to OS X Yosemite and also incompatible to Little Snitch. Even with Piker-Alpha bootloader or similar approaches.


Whatever the state of the compatibility of early Mac Pros with the Piker-Alpha bootloader is, it was GOOD ENOUGH with Yosemite 10.10.1 AND Little Snitch 3.4.2. Guess what's changed on the very same computer (that's right, an early Mac Pro) with the very same operating system (that's right, Yosemite 10.10.1, thanks to Piker-Alpha's bootloader) and Little Snitch 3.5! That's right, you guessed it! It's Little Snitch 3.5. That's the only thing that's changed. And, as I'm saying, I have it up and running on this unsupported machine (which has been unsupported since Mountain Lion days, which I have run without any trouble, as I have run Mavericks).

So you have to do better than that in your explanation. If an early Mac Pro is "unsupported" (although it works better than many recent "supported" Macs) for Little Snitch 3.5, it was equally "unsupported" for Little Snitch 3.4.2. "Unsupported" as it might be, it worked flawlessly with 3.4.2. How come the 3.5 installer doesn't get to clear the boot and kernel caches on these machines? Since Little Snitch 3.5 can successfully be updated on these machines via Safe Boot, it should be feasible for you to achieve the same result through a more thorough installation procedure. Labelling the problem "unsupported" doesn't cut it.

I have a recent clone so I figured I was safe to try it.
I have just followed the steps outlined by Manfred;
Verify & repair your file system permissions
Start the Disk Utility.app
Select your internal hard drive / ssd in the left column
In the right colum choose »First Aid« > Repair Disk
Reinstall Little Snitch
While still in Safe Boot Mode, start the Little Snitch Installer again and run through the installation process.
Boot your Mac again in Safe Boot mode.
Boot your Mac again normally.

Most likely, the required restart afterwards works as expected and your system is up and running.

……...and LS appears to be working fine.
Jazzguy, nothing against you. Just wanted some feedback from the developer before I went any further.
There was an extra boot. Probably unnecessary but I thought I’d include the info for completeness.
Just had the nightly build update pop up, gave it a miss though.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:00 pm
by Reggie Stration
But! I do have the issue where temporary rules are not deleted upon quitting an app.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 11:17 pm
by jazzyguy
You did a fine job as outlined by Manfred. He knows his stuff! :D I wonder about LS and the upcoming 3.6. I hope we don't through the same garbage.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 11:32 am
by manfred
devotee wrote:I wanted to make a clean install of Yosemite on a Mac Mini. For security purposes, the first program I wanted to install is Little Snitch. This is my story:
1. Clean install of Yosemite via USB stick
2. Tried to install LS 3.5
3. OS X Yosemite wouldn't boot properly
4. Since it was a clean install (nothing to lose), I reformatted the whole disk and I reinstalled Yosemite
5. Tried to install LS 3.5
6. After the usual required restart, OS X would boot correctly but LS was not working (mismatch error)
7. New OS X Yosemite clean install from USB stick
8. Tried to install 3.4.2 and... Not a single problem, the install process went smoothly, OS X Yosemite restarted correctly, LS working like a champion

Thanks for the detailed list. What computer do you use? Did you format the harddisk before installing OS X Yosemite? If not, it wouldn't be a clean install.

Reggie Stration wrote:……...and LS appears to be working fine.
Jazzguy, nothing against you. Just wanted some feedback from the developer before I went any further.
There was an extra boot. Probably unnecessary but I thought I’d include the info for completeness.
Just had the nightly build update pop up, gave it a miss though.

Thanks for the feedback. So you do have Little Snitch 3.5 up and running on a Mac Pro 1.1 correct?

EMR wrote:
manfred wrote:Mac Pro 1.1 and 2.1 unfortunately are not compatible to OS X Yosemite and also incompatible to Little Snitch. Even with Piker-Alpha bootloader or similar approaches.


Whatever the state of the compatibility of early Mac Pros with the Piker-Alpha bootloader is, it was GOOD ENOUGH with Yosemite 10.10.1 AND Little Snitch 3.4.2. Guess what's changed on the very same computer (that's right, an early Mac Pro) with the very same operating system (that's right, Yosemite 10.10.1, thanks to Piker-Alpha's bootloader) and Little Snitch 3.5! That's right, you guessed it! It's Little Snitch 3.5. That's the only thing that's changed. And, as I'm saying, I have it up and running on this unsupported machine (which has been unsupported since Mountain Lion days, which I have run without any trouble, as I have run Mavericks).

So you have to do better than that in your explanation. If an early Mac Pro is "unsupported" (although it works better than many recent "supported" Macs) for Little Snitch 3.5, it was equally "unsupported" for Little Snitch 3.4.2. "Unsupported" as it might be, it worked flawlessly with 3.4.2. How come the 3.5 installer doesn't get to clear the boot and kernel caches on these machines? Since Little Snitch 3.5 can successfully be updated on these machines via Safe Boot, it should be feasible for you to achieve the same result through a more thorough installation procedure. Labelling the problem "unsupported" doesn't cut it.

Maybe my previous wording wasn't that good. Actually it is likely that Little Snitch 3.5 also supports those Mac Pros, but we can not guarantee it. We are a rather small team of people and our software is closely bound to hardware. We simply do not have the resources to deal with each and every possible modification of systems. Actually it is a shame that Apple does not support those Mac Pros when they obviously doing fine in running OS X Yosemite.

Reggie Stration wrote:But! I do have the issue where temporary rules are not deleted upon quitting an app.

That should be fixed with the 3.5.1 nightly build.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2014 8:40 pm
by Reggie Stration
manfred wrote:Thanks for the feedback. So you do have Little Snitch 3.5 up and running on a Mac Pro 1.1 correct?

Correct, runs perfecto, (ish).

manfred wrote:That should be fixed with the 3.5.1 nightly build.

In the early days I didn’t mind nightly builds, at the mo I’m a bit raw from the recent issues so will only install when they are public releases.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 3:49 am
by trickbox
How I managed to install LS 3.5 running Yosemite on Mac Pro 1,1

After several failed attempts at installing the 3.5 update in Safe Mode as detailed by Reggie Stration, I installed LS 3.5 with the same results, the boot into safe mode would work, but not a normal boot.

I did a verbose boot (CMD + v) and the following error messages were displayed:

USB sound assertion in AppleUSBAudioEngine at line 1605

and then the following message....

Still waiting for root device.

Obviously the 'root device' it was waiting for wasn't loading. Instead of restoring from a working backup, I used my USB stick to reinstall Yosemite.

Hey presto and it boots up and LS 3.5 is working. All I then have to do is do a software update to get 10.10.1. Done and dusted in about 20 minutes, rather than the 90 minutes to restore the backup.

Hope this helps someone. But this raises more questions about LS 3.5 installation not being compatible with 'unsupported' macs. Would 3.5 install if I was running Lion? it's the same hardware, after all. Why do I have no problem installing 3.4.2 and every version before 3.5, why all of a sudden has this build not installed as expected.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2014 4:19 am
by jazzyguy
"Old Hardware" poses a problem in LS 3.5.This means anything older than 2 years or so. That seems to be the case. Most of the users that installed 3.5 are new users with new Macs. STRANGE???? But the developers of LS have to figure that out,ignoring it won't avoid it.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:09 pm
by maccy
I just updated my Mac Pro 1.1 to Yosemite 10.10.1 and after 2 hours I gave up trying to get Little Snitch to work.
None of the procedures described in the previous posts (Onyx/Single user boot) helps. :cry:
Everytime after startup I get a message that says the Little Snitch Kernel Extension could not be loaded.
_Please_ provide a working update for Little Snitch on these Mac Pros!
I think there are still many Mac Pros 1.1 and 1.2 around that run Yosemite, so this is _not_ an unusual configuration.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 9:20 pm
by EMR
maccy wrote:None of the procedures described in the previous posts (Onyx/Single user boot) helps


You may have confused a Single User Boot (pressing Command S when you hear the startup chime) with Safe Boot (pressing Shift when you hear the chime). The procedure that has been explained works as described.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:03 am
by Hugo
EMR wrote:You may have confused a Single User Boot (pressing Command S when you hear the startup chime) with Safe Boot (pressing Shift when you hear the chime). The procedure that has been explained works as described.


I've installed LS 3.5 on Yosemite 10.10 and 10.10.1 on my MacPro 1,1 with Safe Boot but I got the same ERROR (can't login in 'normal' mode).

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 11:48 am
by EMR
Hugo wrote:I've installed LS 3.5 on Yosemite 10.10 and 10.10.1 on my MacPro 1,1 with Safe Boot but I got the same ERROR (can't login in 'normal' mode).


Your explanation isn't precise enough. It sounds as if you didn't know what you are doing. Did you use Safe Boot TWICE? Did you erase the boot and the kernel caches on the SECOND Safe Boot? Again, the procedure that has been explained works as described. If you choose to do something different, if you don't understand what you are doing or if you have other issues, it might not work for you.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 6:13 pm
by Hugo
EMR wrote:our explanation isn't precise enough
It sounds as if you didn't know what you are doing

I'm very sorry EMR, English is not my native language.
I have followed JeyO's procedure.

Did you use Safe Boot TWICE? Did you erase the boot and the kernel caches on the SECOND Safe Boot?

yes.

Verify & repair your file system permissions
Start the Disk Utility.app
Select your internal hard drive / ssd in the left column
In the right colum choose »First Aid« > Repair Disk
Reinstall Little Snitch
While still in Safe Boot Mode, start the Little Snitch Installer again and run through the installation process.
Boot your Mac again in Safe Boot mode.
Boot your Mac again normally.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:20 pm
by Nomad411
My SSD blew up yesterday. I've been rebuilding most of the night recycling an older normal hard drive.

Today once mostly all set up again, i went and installed the latest Lil Snitch. BOOM!!!

WTF?? Is this the cause of my issues? I'm pretty sure I had applied a Lil Snitch update during the day..

I just found this thread and forums while waiting forever for a second reinstalltion of Yosemite.. It's taking forever.

Very angry right now. Why didn't the update getshutdown by obdev if they knew it was this bad??

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:14 am
by jazzyguy
The current 3.5 in LS has been causing problems but yours my good friend is devastating.

Re: LITTAL SNITCH FAILS TO INSTALL IN YOSEMITE

Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2014 10:45 am
by EMR
According to a couple of members of the Macrumors forums, the latest nightly build of Little Snitch 3.5 addresses the problems mentioned in this thread and it seems to work seamlessly on old Mac Pros running Yosemite.